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纠结是纠结者的墓志铭

星期三, 03月 17th, 2010 13:42

(我好无聊啊。。。)

INFP个人成长之本土篇——理想是理想者的通行证 纠结是纠结者的墓志铭

对于INFP还有什么好说的呢?纠结。自恋,自哀,自怜,自负,自傲。敏感,冲动,探索,觉察。意淫着自己无所不能,实则——天晓得那是怎么回事!看看豆瓣INFP小组(http://www.douban.com/group/INFP/)的贴罢,与周围人格格不入,同时又拼命地努力找寻那么一点儿认同感,受不了世界的冷漠他人的绝情,扭捏而无所适从。
但是同时又在心里反复强调——INFP是强大的,INFP可以模拟所有的人格!INFP从来不是没头脑,只是不高兴!
然而,事实果真如此吗?

本来我是不想写这贴的,我有什么资格说INFP呢?自己的成长路线扭曲得一塌糊涂,现实中不过无名小卒一个,才能不及中人(自贬还是自嘲?),平时的乐趣也无非翻翻书,以及在地雷群(QQ群号:40837722——没错,正文未动,广告先行!)里收集各种IN地雷。MBTI的东西是七七八八看了不少,在词典发达的前提下也翻翻资料给自己看着玩,但若说真从中得到什么助益——这么说我实在心虚。
我只是——单纯地看不下去而已。谁又有资格教训别人呢,这也不过是个牢骚贴罢了。

说到INFP,一般首次做凯尔西/MBTI测试的,首先记住的不是这四个字母,而是测试里提到的文字描述——化解者/哲学家型。以及,关于这个类型的那些描述,理想主义啦关心他人啦慈悲啦有爱啦,敏感多情善感见风洒泪对月长吟(描述里有这个?)啦。还有这个类型的名人!还有适合职业!还有如何找对象(在16型里跟哪个型最速配)!
一边看描述一边感叹——好准啊好准啊!原来我并不孤独啊!原来我是如此属于一个类型啊!——瞬间找到归属感。
无可厚非。如果做完了不往心里去,一时感动倒也罢了。真把这些描述当成INFP的本质?那还不如不做这测试的好。在这里讲INFP,首先要明确的就是——别把表象当本质。

那什么又是本质?(喂喂,还真把自己当权威了啊!——我这是不低估观众的智商而已,就算我以肯定的语气写下去,别人又不一定会听我的,所以爱怎么写就怎么写了呗。)
来看看INFP所代表的意义吧:内倾、直觉、情绪、感知。(注:我把F称为情绪而不是情感,这个下面会接着说。)至于何为内倾何为直觉……补课的传送门在这里——http://www.douban.com/group/topic/1672971/(这一大段其实就是来发各种补课传送门的,嘿嘿。),每个字母都有其含义,而作为整体的INFP,是建立在所有这些的叠加之上——当然,在人格类型这里,不只是1+1=2这么简单,各字母间有相互影响,人与人之间的作用关系,远远不是说类型字母之间相差的越少越能相互理解——要真这样,拿人格类型来做心理辅导的,还有什么赚头?
对各字母间的相互影响继续界定下去,则涉及到了八维度(补课传送门之一:http://www.douban.com/group/topic/7673814/,之二:http://www.douban.com/group/topic/8347255/)的问题。NF界定了INFP的主要功能,而IP则是指明的功能的运用方向。(关于主导功能辅助功能之作用这些,补课传送门:http://www.douban.com/group/topic/6063350/)。
INFP的主导功能是Fi(内倾情绪),辅助功能是Ne(外倾直觉),主导功能在小学毕业以前即已显露,而辅助功能则在从初中到大学这段时间里逐渐被发展出来。(理论,前提而已。至于第三功能和第四功能……中老年的事,人家现在还没体会到呢。)主导功能和辅助功能一个对内一个对外,都是一个人世界轴的重要组成(世界轴:http://www.douban.com/group/topic/10323846/)。翻译组的INFP个人成长(http://www.douban.com/group/topic/5944188/)一文,也是从主导功能与辅助功能的平衡(测试自己的八维发展水平,请猛击:http://types.yuzeli.com/survey/cognitive)来探讨INFP的成长路径。(其实那个网站的套文都是,乃至于看多了甚至会觉得不同类型的文都大同小异。)可惜那文对INFP的溢美之辞也过多,当然这足以满足INFP的小虚荣,但具体的成长体会,还是要从自身出发,将INFP彻底暴露才是。

彻底暴露,从何说起?先上了一大堆概念,让对MBTI了解不多的晕头昏脑,又是16型8维,实在不是我啰嗦,只是太过痴傻,离了这些概念难于好好说话罢了。前面已说了是主导功能与辅助功能的平衡,那么在这里自然是要从——Fi说起。 (阅读全文……)

灵巧似蛇驯良如鸽

星期三, 03月 10th, 2010 21:27

新约 — 马太福音(Matthew) — 第 10 章 ( 本篇共有 28 章 )

10:1 耶稣叫了十二个门徒来,给他们权柄,能赶逐污鬼,并医治各样的病症。
And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

10:2 这十二使徒的名,头一个叫西门,又称彼得,还有他兄弟安得烈。西庇太的儿子雅各,和雅各的兄弟约翰。
Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

10:3 腓力,和巴多罗买,多马,和税吏马太,亚勒腓的儿子雅各,和达太。
Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

10:4 奋锐党的西门,还有卖耶稣的加略人犹大。
Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

10:5 耶稣差这十二个人去,吩咐他们说,外邦人的路,你们不要走。撒玛利亚人的城,你们不要进。
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

10:6 宁可往以色列家迷失的羊那里去。
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

10:7 随走随传,说,天国近了。
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

10:8 医治病人,叫死人复活,叫长大麻疯的洁净,把鬼赶出去。你们白白的得来,也要白白的舍去。
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

10:9 腰袋里,不要带金银铜钱。
Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10:10 行路不要带口袋,不要带两件褂子,也不要带鞋和拐杖。因为工人得饮食,是应当的。
Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

10:11 你们无论进那一城,那一村,要打听那里谁是好人,就住在他家,直住到走的时候。
And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

10:12 进他家里去,要请他的安。
And when ye come into an house, salute it.

10:13 那家若配得平安,你们所求的平安,就必临到那家。若不配得,你们所求的平安仍归你们。
And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

10:14 凡不接待你们,不听你们的话的人,你们离开那家,或是那城的时候,就把脚上的尘土跺下去。
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

10:15 我实在告诉你们,当审判的日子,所多玛和蛾摩拉所受的,比那城还容易受呢。
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

10:16 我差你们去,如同羊进入狼群。所以你们要灵巧像蛇,驯良像鸽子。
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. (阅读全文……)

对MBTI理论的思考(第一部分)

星期二, 03月 2nd, 2010 17:30

http://www.socionics.com/articles/mbti.htm

Things to consider about MBTI® theory (Part 1)
对MBTI理论的思考(第一部分)
18 February 2007
by Sergei Ganin

You have probably noticed that the types on this website have slightly different acronym: three capital letters followed by a small “j” or “p” instead of the traditional four capital letter acronym. This is because there is a slight incompatibility between the MBTI® and Socionics/Jungian type due to the inconsistency in MBTI theory. This incompatibility sometimes (note sometimes) appears between Introvert types. As for Extrovert types – MBTI theory, Socionics and Jung seem fully compatible.

你可能已留意到,在这个网站上采取的类型缩写稍有不同:三个大写字母后紧跟一个小写的“j/p”,而非传统的四个大写字母缩写。这是由于MBTI理论的内部矛盾,致使在MBTI理论与Socionics/荣格类型之间存在着轻度的不一致。这种不一致有时(注意:有时)出现在内倾类型中。至于外倾类型,MBTI理论,Socionics与荣格似乎完全一致。

The reason for this is that when Myers was designing MBTI, she took Jungian typology as the basis for her project. According to Jung, people can be Extroverts (E) or Introverts (I), Thinking (T) or Feeling (F), Sensing (S) or Intuitive (N). So Jungian types ended up looking like this:

出现这种情况的原因是当迈尔斯在设计MBTI时,她将荣格的心理类型学作为其项目的基础。根据荣格的说法,人们可能是外倾(E)或内倾(I),思考(T)或情感(F),感觉(S)或直觉(N)。所以荣格心理类型学最终看来就是这样——

Extraverted Thinking type 外倾思考型
Introverted Thinking type 内倾思考型
Extraverted Feeling type 外倾情感型
Introverted Feeling type 内倾情感型
Extraverted Sensing type 外倾感觉型
Introverted Sensing type 内倾感觉型
Extraverted Intuitive type 外倾直觉型
Introverted Intuitive type 内倾直觉型

Jung also indicated that along with the main function, type could have a secondary function as well, which is different in nature to the primary function. In other words, the type with a main preference for T or F could also have a secondary preference for N or S and types with a main preference for N or S could also have a secondary preference for T or F. The two variations of the same core type would be different from each other, for instance, F type with preference for S would be different from F type with preference for N, and so on.

荣格还指出,伴随主要功能,每个类型还可能有个次要偏好功能,这与主导功能在本质上不同。换句话说,主要偏好T/F的人可能同时会伴有有N/S作为次要偏好,而主要偏好N/S的人同样也会在T/F上有次要偏好。同样类型核心的两种变化导致它们之间有所不同,例如,F型中更偏好S者与更偏好N者表现不同,以此类推。

Myers was particularly interested in the mental processes that were dynamically opposite like E vs. I, S vs. N, T vs. F., because this would allow to formulate a bipolar question – if you prefer one thing then you do not prefer its opposite, theoretically.

迈尔斯与对于那些动态相反的心理过程,例如E/I、S/N、T/F,有着特别的兴趣,因为这使得设定迫选表格成为可能——理论上讲,如果你喜欢某事,那么你就不会喜欢它的对立面。

Myers was faced with the challenge of how to identify which mental process would be the main and which one would be the secondary. For example if a person would show a preference for N and T, then would this be N that is the main preference and T that is the secondary, or vice versa?

而她所面临的挑战则是确定哪种心理过程是主要的,哪种是次要的。例如,如果一个人同时展示了对NT的偏好,那么是先N后T呢,还是相反? (阅读全文……)

如何将MBTI类型转换为Socionics类型

星期一, 03月 1st, 2010 22:57

http://www.socionics.com/articles/howto.htm

How to convert MBTI® type to Socionics type
如何将MBTI类型转换为Socionics类型
14 April 2007
by Sergei Ganin

Anyone who had closely read all the articles about Socionics and MBTI® theory compatibility issues has already got a fair idea that there is no straightforward conversion between the two systems. This obviously creates quite a lot of confusion, especially when it comes to the introvert types. The most common question people ask is: “Is MBTI INTJ the same as SocionicsINTp or Socionics INTj?” Some people have created the myth that if you change the last letter of the MBTI introvert type acronym to the opposite then you get a Socionics equivalent, i.e. MBTI INTJ = Socionics INTp. As I said, it is a myth and even though such conversion may work in some cases, it does not work in all cases. So here I’ll try to show how to make such conversion possible without getting into too much trouble.

任何曾仔细阅读过Socionics与MBTI理论兼容性文章的人都会清楚地知道,无法在这两个系统间进行直接转换。很明显,这会造成许多混乱,尤其是在面对内向型时。人们最常问到的问题是:“MBTI中的INTJ与Socionics里的INTp/INTj是同一回事吗?”有些人则陷入迷思,以为将MBTI中内向类型的最后一个字母转换为它的反义字母,即可得到对应的Socionics类型,如:INTJ(在MBTI体系中的)=INTp(在Socionics中的)。依我说,这就是个误区,即使在有些情况下这样的转换得以成立,但并不意味着在所有的情况下它都成立。是以在此,我将试图阐明如何真正实现两种体系间的转换,而不至于惹出太多的麻烦。

The Thinking and Feeling pair of functions is bound together in the same way the Sensing and Intuition pair is. The two functions in a pair always go up against each or fight for the domination if you like. If one of the functions in a pair appears to be Dominant function then the other function in the same pair is Inferior and is well suppressed by the Dominant function, and the domination of the Dominant function is obvious. However, if one of the functions in a pair is Auxiliary, then the other would be Tertiary, which represents the Hidden Agenda. The Auxiliary and Tertiary combination of functions provokes a war between these functions, because there is no clear dominator. On one hand the Auxiliary function is much stronger than Tertiary, however the Tertiary function is the Hidden Agenda and is extremely important. So what happens in reality is that a person find it difficult to separate these two functions in order to give them clear preference, the functions always appear to be mixed up together to a certain degree.

思考与情感这一对功能捆绑在一起,同样的,感觉与直觉也是如此。这两对功能总是彼此对立,争夺主导权。如果一对功能中的一个成了主导功能,那么与它对立的功能即会沦为劣势功能(第四功能),主导功能的统治地位凸显。然而,如果一对功能中较强的一个是辅助功能,那么与它对立的那个则是沦为第三功能,表现为幕后进程(http://www.socionics.com/articles/hiddena.htm)。辅助功能与第三功能这对组合之间时有争战,分不出明显的胜负。一方面,辅助功能强于第三功能,然而,第三功能的幕后进程也同样相当强大。所以,事实上一个人无法真正将这对组合撇清,在它们中指出明确的偏好,在某种程度上,它们总是混在一块儿。

So, if a person’s Auxiliary and Tertiary functions are Feeling and Thinking (or Thinking and Feeling), then such person find it hard to keep these two in peace and may find it difficult to decide whether they are F or T. The Dominant and Inferior in this case would be Sensing and Intuition (or Intuition and Sensing), and should be quite easy to separate. Because the Dominant function is Perceiving in this case, the person would be Socionics Perceiving type (XXXp). So if MBTI INTJ person is more uncertain about being T or F than S or N i.e. IN(T/F)J or INxJ, then he or she will correspond to Socionics INTp.

因此,如果一个人的辅助功能与第三功能是情感与思考(或思考与情感),他会发现很难让这两者和平相处,很难确定它们究竟哪个更强点儿。在这种情况下,作为主导功能与劣势功能的感觉与直觉(或直觉与感觉),则很容易区分。因为在这种情况下,主导功能是感知,而这个人将是Socionics中的P型(XXXp)。所以,如果一个MBTI中的INTJ对于他究竟属于T/F中的哪种,比之N/S这一维度上的结果更不确定,意即不知道究竟是IN(T/F)J或INxJ,那么他/她就相当于Socionics中的INTp。

If a person’s Auxiliary and Tertiary functions are Sensing and Intuition (or Intuition and Sensing), then such person may find it difficult to keep these two in friendship and may find it hard to decide whether they are S or N. The Dominant and Inferior in this case would be Feeling and Thinking (or Thinking and Feeling), and should be quite easy to divide. Because in this case the Dominant function is Judging, the person would be Socionics Judging type (XXXj). So if MBTI INTJ person is more unsure about being S or N than T or F i.e. I(S/N)TJ or IxTJ, then he or she will correspond to Socionics INTj.

如果一个人的功能与第三功能是感觉与直觉(或直觉与感觉),那么他会发现让这两者保持友好,确定究竟哪个更强点儿也颇为困难。在这种情况下,作为主导功能与劣势功能的情感与思考(或思考与情感),则极易分别。因为在这种情况下,主导功能为判断,此人为Socionics中的J型人(XXXj)。所以,如果一个MBTI中的人对于他究竟更偏向于S/N,比之T/F这一维度上的结果更不确定,意即不明确究竟是I(S/N)TJ或IxTJ,那么他/她就相当于Socionics中的INTj。

So here it is all of the above simplified:

所以,上面所说的一切都简单了——

Unsure about being T or F -> you are Socionics XXXp
Unsure about being S or N -> you are Socionics XXXj

不确定你到底是T/F——你是Socionics中的XXXp
不确定你到底是S/N——你是Socionics中的XXXj

Alternatively if you would like a solid table of conversion between the two systems, you can use the table below:

或者你还是想要两种体系间根据功能维度转换得来的表格,那么就用下面这张好了——

Extroverts
外倾型
MBTI类型 Socionics类型
ENFJ ENFj
ENTJ ENTj
ENFP ENFp
ENTP ENTp
ESFJ ESFj
ESTJ ESTj
ESFP ESFp
ESTP ESTp

Introverts
内倾型
MBTI类型 Socionics类型
INFJ INFx
INTJ INTx
INFP INFx
INTP INTx
ISFJ ISFx
ISTJ ISTx
ISFP ISFx
ISTP ISTx